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Post by Chuck52 on Sept 1, 2009 18:16:06 GMT -6
I don't know about this ride, it could give the wrong impression to everyone and the incumbents would use this rally as feather in their campaign. Here are some of the problems I see: - Riding down 17 in numbers will remind residents how much they hate us.
- Wearing Helmets and being on our best behavior shows that we are afraid of the City.
- As above it could look as we buried the Axe with the Mayor and City Council.
- We accept all of the new ordinances that were passed.
- Making the appearance now before the elections will become one of the hot topics for the new people in the race for City positions and never get a straight answer about Biker issues.
The thought is good but I think the timing is bad! This is just my opinion. I'm an outsider looking in, but I have to agree with Beach on this one. To quote one of my favorite movies "there are strength in numbers, you must unify to accomplice your goal" I've always believed this to be true, but not this time, it'll stir the pot real bad and the cops will be waiting, helmets or not and rodent will when again. Have the BBQ but stay out of Murder Beach. This just my opinion!! Be Safe Everyone if this ride happens!! Attachments:
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Post by outhouseking on Sept 1, 2009 18:21:22 GMT -6
I have to agree. I have not ridden my motorcycle within the city limits since the helmet ordinance was passed and I have no intention of doing so until the helmet ordinance is lifted. I`ll not bend to the cities rules. I don't know about this ride, it could give the wrong impression to everyone and the incumbents would use this rally as feather in their campaign. Here are some of the problems I see: - Riding down 17 in numbers will remind residents how much they hate us.
- Wearing Helmets and being on our best behavior shows that we are afraid of the City.
- As above it could look as we buried the Axe with the Mayor and City Council.
- We accept all of the new ordinances that were passed.
- Making the appearance now before the elections will become one of the hot topics for the new people in the race for City positions and never get a straight answer about Biker issues.
The thought is good but I think the timing is bad! This is just my opinion.
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Post by rangemaster on Sept 1, 2009 19:25:58 GMT -6
I also agree with Beachbikers1. I certainly do understand the intentions motivating attendance at this weekend’s event, but the complications and consequences far outweigh any advantages. After all, didn’t the small band of influential elitist residents and their puppet city elected officials act without considering the adverse outcome?
The KEY factor is that the Fall Harley Rally will be going on just as the city mayor/council campaign starts kicking into full gear. I’ve long advocated that the SPRING Harley Rallies should be looked at and mirror the Fall Harley Rallies more as far as any negative impacts they have - and they CERTAINLY have much more POSITIVE impact than any negatives. This is WHY, in my opinion, the City of Myrtle Beach should have actually worked WITH bikers when it was often offered (despite constant lies to the contrary by John Rhodes). The absolute and undeniable truth - which not a single MB elected official has outright DENIED yet in personal conversation with me - is that the Harley rallies would not have been acted on in recent fashion if it were not for the Spring Harley Rallies being followed by the total chaos of Atlantic Beach BikeFest.
And, in fact - as I have stated several times before - Mark Kruea told me to my face at the Mayor’s State of the City Speech event that the City of Myrtle Beach had NO problem with the Fall Harley Rallies. Thus, I feel that doing anything NOW that could give the impression that we are OK with the current status of the City of Myrtle Beach’s extreme and unreasonable behavior - the result of catering to only one small wealthy and influential group of the mayor and council’s neighbors in one small geographic area who are NOT focused on our tourism-driven economy and way of life - probably would not gain support of those majority of voting residents in this city who have instead suffered the negative consequences and impact of the NEW problems the city has created.
I feel that we have the understanding of a significant number of persons who vote in this city - and we can convince many more to our side of this issue and the many other issues it impacts by showing that:
1. WE are aware of some inherent problems with our - like any OTHER -event, and were perfectly willing to mutually work to resolve those actual problems with reasonable yet effective means tailored JUST to the problems (instead of CRETING violations out of legal acts, and being associated with people from OTHER, completely SEPARATE, events).
2. WE are NOT Atlantic Beach BikeFest, and IT is NOT a “Bike Rally” anywhere near as much as it is an unorganized and out-of-control cultural event/street party.
3. WE ARE a major event consisting of HUNDREDS of ORGANIZED activities that are well-regulated, and attended by a vast majority of law-abiding TOURIST adult citizens. 4. WE provide a massive BENEFIT to our economy at TWO periods when attracting TRADITIONAL, stereotypical tourists - just BEFORE and AFTER the main “tourist season” - is quite challenged.
5. WE only ask that we continue/resume to provide this POSITIVE tourism with our MAJOR events in a way that is viewed SEPARATE from an unrelated and mostly NEGATIVE-IMPACT event (BikeFest) - and with the City of Myrtle Beach’s MUTUAL INVOLVEMENT to address and resolve ACTUAL complaints of residents AND NOTHING MORE.
Bottom line: I do feel that any biker - on bike and standing out as a biker - who WANTS to go to this weekend’s event at Market Common certainly attend. Surely that individual, couple, or perhaps small group who attend can project a positive image, show that bikers have NOT been “driven completely away”, and may have the opportunity to speak to any resident who is just curious and/or undecided on where the truth is and where to stand on this issue.
But going “en masse” - as an organized group - may indeed project acceptance of the new status quo. And that would NOT be in our - or the majority of city residents’ - overall best interests in the short AND long run… Probably the ONLY time under the current city administration to ride in the city as a large group for/to any event in the city (excepting the Xmas Toy Run) would be, at the very least, IF the helmet ordinance is overturned or otherwise defeated.
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Post by freebird on Sept 1, 2009 19:35:51 GMT -6
Thank you all for your posts. I respect all however Bird doesn't stand down and will be riding in the City on Saturday. The worst mistake the City could make is to hassle this veteran as I will file immediately a complaint with the U S Department of Justice. Me and my veteran plated Fat Boy is goin Downtown. All are welcome and I support everyones decision.
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Post by Chuck52 on Sept 1, 2009 20:19:04 GMT -6
Bird, This retired Vietnam Vet respects your decision, do what you feel you have to do, Ride Safe and Ride Proud!!
With all that's going on has anyone heard anything out of the Supreme court, or is the court waiting on election to see which ruling party is in? You'd think what's his name Thad Viers would have some insight or is he sitting back now, and Whats going on with Mike Shank, he's awful quite, has he turned sides?
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Post by acoghlan on Sept 1, 2009 22:25:42 GMT -6
I enjoyed the BBQ at the Train Depot. It was not a disappointment. I have the pictures to prove it. Many pictures of the BUMS in office. I'm hoping to top that at the upcoming BBQ. "F" em all, like we used to say in the car business.
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Post by freebird on Sept 1, 2009 22:39:38 GMT -6
C52 Thanks. Just gotta do this. It might only be me but I am riding right down 17 just like I used to except for the helmet. Thank you for understanding. Semper Fi if its ok for an Army guy to say that. Mike Shank. Well he is Festival Promotions. festivalpromos.com/You might want to look at the list of events he is paid to do. He also according to the news dropped his lawsuit. I have also noticed that the HD Dealership according to the member list of BOOST is noticebly absent. Have been advised the City asked for an extension with the State Supreme Court. Have also been advised that Briefs are being submitted so it is still moving. I can't imagine the State Supreme Court cares about the election but down here nothing surprises me. I hope they only care about enforcing the law not re writing it. If so we will win. ;D
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Post by freebird on Sept 1, 2009 22:59:13 GMT -6
I enjoyed the BBQ at the Train Depot. It was not a disappointment. I have the pictures to prove it. Many pictures of the BUMS in office. I'm hoping to top that at the upcoming BBQ. "F" em all, like we used to say in the car business. Don't sugar coat it tell em how your really feel.
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Post by beachbikers1 on Sept 2, 2009 6:50:30 GMT -6
Bird, I respect what your doing if you think it's right! I'm a Wounded Disabled Vietnam Veteran that fought for Freedom in this country. When a bunch of a$$holes take my Freedom away where I live it's war anyway I can hurt them!
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Post by train on Sept 2, 2009 7:21:50 GMT -6
NO HELMET REQUIRED .... Make copy of this code and if pulled over give to officer and tell him he's breaking law writing ticket , if he continues ask for supervisor to seen for reaction ... Do not sign ticket or take it , they can not break law to please MB City ..... 56-7-80 , B
SECTION 56-7-80. County or municipal uniform ordinance summons.
(A) Counties and municipalities are authorized to adopt by ordinance and use an ordinance summons as provided herein for the enforcement of county and municipal ordinances. Upon adoption of the ordinance summons, any county or municipal law enforcement officer or code enforcement officer is authorized to use an ordinance summons. Any county or municipality adopting the ordinance summons is responsible for the printing, distributing, monitoring, and auditing of the ordinance summons to be used by that entity.
(B) The uniform ordinance summons may not be used to perform a custodial arrest. No county or municipal ordinance which regulates the use of motor vehicles on the public roads of this State may be enforced using an ordinance summons.
(C) An ordinance summons must cite only one violation per summons and must contain at least the following information:
(1) the name and address of the person or entity charged;
(2) the name and title of the issuing officer;
(3) the time, date, and location of the hearing;
(4) a description of the ordinance the person or entity is charged with violating;
(5) the procedure to post bond; and
(6) any other notice or warning otherwise required by law.
The ordinance summonses must be consecutively and discretely numbered. The ordinance summonses must be audited as part of the annual independent audit required in Section 4-9-150 for counties and in Section 5-7-240 for municipalities, and a separate copy of each audit must be furnished to the chief administrative officer of the county or municipality, as appropriate.
(D) Service of a uniform ordinance summons vests all magistrates' and municipal courts with jurisdiction to hear and dispose of the charge for which the ordinance summons was issued and served.
(E) Any law enforcement officer or code enforcement officer who serves an ordinance summons must allow the person served to proceed without first having to post bond or to appear before a magistrate or municipal judge. Acceptance of an ordinance summons constitutes a person's recognizance to comply with the terms of the summons.
(F) Any person who fails to appear before the court as required by an ordinance summons, without first having posted such bond as may be required or without having been granted a continuance by the court, is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than thirty days. Any law enforcement agency processing an arrest made pursuant to this subsection must furnish such information to the State Law Enforcement Division as required by Chapter 3 of Title 23.
(G) This statute does not prohibit a county or municipality from enforcing ordinances by means otherwise authorized by law.
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Post by adventure on Sept 3, 2009 10:54:01 GMT -6
Thank you all for your posts. I respect all however Bird doesn't stand down and will be riding in the City on Saturday. The worst mistake the City could make is to hassle this veteran as I will file immediately a complaint with the U S Department of Justice. Me and my veteran plated Fat Boy is goin Downtown. All are welcome and I support everyones decision. Bird I agree, Not that it means much, However I would not stand down either. I can not make it down this weekend, However i will be down on the 1 Oct. 09 for the fall rally and intend to ride thru MB proper. I refuse to be discriminated against. As I have said before, My Harley is properly registered, properly licensed and properly insured. I am also properly licensed to operate it in all 50 states. I will ride Boldly and Proud where I choose.
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Post by bigbuck on Sept 3, 2009 19:37:22 GMT -6
Hey Bird
I am kind of on the fence between your position and the opinion of others on this entry into the city, however, dont be surprised if me and little buck show up at bass pro on sat morn. Right now we watching the weather.. I dont mind ridin in the rain but little buck cant take a four hour ride in the rain Hopefully we will see you there and check out some good BBQ
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Post by beachbikers1 on Sept 4, 2009 17:45:16 GMT -6
NO HELMET REQUIRED .... Make copy of this code and if pulled over give to officer and tell him he's breaking law writing ticket , if he continues ask for supervisor to seen for reaction ... Do not sign ticket or take it , they can not break law to please MB City ..... 56-7-80 , B SECTION 56-7-80. County or municipal uniform ordinance summons. (A) Counties and municipalities are authorized to adopt by ordinance and use an ordinance summons as provided herein for the enforcement of county and municipal ordinances. Upon adoption of the ordinance summons, any county or municipal law enforcement officer or code enforcement officer is authorized to use an ordinance summons. Any county or municipality adopting the ordinance summons is responsible for the printing, distributing, monitoring, and auditing of the ordinance summons to be used by that entity. (B) The uniform ordinance summons may not be used to perform a custodial arrest. No county or municipal ordinance which regulates the use of motor vehicles on the public roads of this State may be enforced using an ordinance summons. (C) An ordinance summons must cite only one violation per summons and must contain at least the following information: (1) the name and address of the person or entity charged; (2) the name and title of the issuing officer; (3) the time, date, and location of the hearing; (4) a description of the ordinance the person or entity is charged with violating; (5) the procedure to post bond; and (6) any other notice or warning otherwise required by law. The ordinance summonses must be consecutively and discretely numbered. The ordinance summonses must be audited as part of the annual independent audit required in Section 4-9-150 for counties and in Section 5-7-240 for municipalities, and a separate copy of each audit must be furnished to the chief administrative officer of the county or municipality, as appropriate. (D) Service of a uniform ordinance summons vests all magistrates' and municipal courts with jurisdiction to hear and dispose of the charge for which the ordinance summons was issued and served. (E) Any law enforcement officer or code enforcement officer who serves an ordinance summons must allow the person served to proceed without first having to post bond or to appear before a magistrate or municipal judge. Acceptance of an ordinance summons constitutes a person's recognizance to comply with the terms of the summons. (F) Any person who fails to appear before the court as required by an ordinance summons, without first having posted such bond as may be required or without having been granted a continuance by the court, is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than thirty days. Any law enforcement agency processing an arrest made pursuant to this subsection must furnish such information to the State Law Enforcement Division as required by Chapter 3 of Title 23. (G) This statute does not prohibit a county or municipality from enforcing ordinances by means otherwise authorized by law. Train, have you done this yet?
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Post by freebird on Sept 4, 2009 18:04:27 GMT -6
Hey Bird I am kind of on the fence between your position and the opinion of others on this entry into the city, however, dont be surprised if me and little buck show up at bass pro on sat morn. Right now we watching the weather.. I dont mind ridin in the rain but little buck cant take a four hour ride in the rain Hopefully we will see you there and check out some good BBQ If not maybe we can meet in the middle in NC for a weekend. Would love to see you guys. Big Buck still wearin pink. ;D
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Post by rangemaster on Sept 4, 2009 19:25:01 GMT -6
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