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Post by DG1 Phillip on Sept 14, 2009 17:26:31 GMT -6
...so, if I'm reading correctly, you've changed your stance. The way I see it is the slogan is NOT A DIME IN 09.. They complained about the bikers and the noise but no one ever complained about the money we brought. So what they are doing is being seen and heard but no $$ goes into the city. The whiners are able to see and hear us and know they did not get rid of us but not get the $$ from us. The helmet issue lies in the state supreme court now and YES they are dragging their A$$es getting to it so no matter what we think, say or do the court will rule it. So the point is to be seen and heard ONLY.. Be the itch they cant scratch that wont go away... Now between Buck and Bird I'm still trying to figure out why they didnt throw piranah's in the dunk booth water while rhodes was in it but anyway........
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Post by bigbuck on Sept 14, 2009 18:18:08 GMT -6
Sorry
The piranhas must have slipped threw the hole in my pocket before I got there. ;D
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Post by DG1 Phillip on Sept 14, 2009 20:23:46 GMT -6
Quick run to the pet store..
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Post by freebird on Sept 14, 2009 23:04:46 GMT -6
...so, if I'm reading correctly, you've changed your stance. The way I see it is the slogan is NOT A DIME IN 09.. They complained about the bikers and the noise but no one ever complained about the money we brought. So what they are doing is being seen and heard but no $$ goes into the city. The whiners are able to see and hear us and know they did not get rid of us but not get the $$ from us. The helmet issue lies in the state supreme court now and YES they are dragging their A$$es getting to it so no matter what we think, say or do the court will rule it. So the point is to be seen and heard ONLY.. Be the itch they cant scratch that wont go away... Now between Buck and Bird I'm still trying to figure out why they didnt throw piranah's in the dunk booth water while rhodes was in it but anyway........ I would have brought some if I knew he was going to be there. Or maybe some leaches. Heard November we should hear something from the court but who knows. Nothing more we can do until the Supreme Court rules. Cept ride... ;D ;D
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Post by freebird on Sept 14, 2009 23:17:25 GMT -6
I still find it odd that nobody has really answered my question. My point is yours Geeze. Nothing at all has changed (in fact it's probably gotten worse) since these laws went int effect. Why suddenly do some folks find it okay to attend and ride during these events that are held in the City? (Under the guise of making a "statement") During the Fall Rally is that going to be the status quo. "It's okay to ride in the City, just don't spend any money"? Cut the Bullshirt! I understand that from the start there were several different opinions regarding this issue but riding (motorcycles) in the City was ALWAYS a NO! Much like a game of chess, when you establish a strategy, you must see it through to the end. If not, you're sure to lose! [/quote] Not sure what has gotten worse but you can explain your position. From the view from the perch not a dime has done all I wanted it to do. The business community has organized and over 500 members are in BOOST and actively and publicly supports Bike Week. They have also sued the City and hosted and paid for Freedom Fest. We did not have that in the beginning. There is a new and competitive Chamber of Commerce and the MBACC is the recipient of many lawsuits. Actually it was Mike Shank the HD representative who has dropped their lawsuits and is not a member of BOOST. So who sold who down the river. Enjoy those HD open houses. Won't see me there. Riding under the guise of making a statement. Hummmm. I ride because I can. If it makes a statement it is I can ride anywhere I want to. Same as you. You choose to take you ball and go home and I no longer do. Thats your call and mine. Sorry if that doesn't fit your game plan but it fits mine. Soooo I'll ride in the City most every day. Vroom Vroom.
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Post by howardstern on Sept 15, 2009 4:40:23 GMT -6
Okay... So you too have changed your stance.
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Post by freebird on Sept 15, 2009 8:37:10 GMT -6
Okay... So you too have changed your stance. I guess I have as far as riding in the City. That doesn't mean you have to agree. Thats what makes this Country Great. I will also support any business that supports me. I just now know who they are and didn't in the beginning. There is not much more we can do until the elections. As food for thought will you not go into MB if the Mayor is not voted out ? Will you as some suggest not go to The Beaver if Georgetown passes new ordinances ? Sometimes the best way to beat them is to join them. At the last two functions I meet Senator Cleary, House Representative Thad Viers, Senator DeMint. Councilmember Foxworth, HR Henry Brown, Council chair Liz Gilland and a host of others. Bent all their ears for a bit. If I didn't ride in the City that would not have happened. We are gaining a lot of support by letting these people know who we are and what we are. Ask someone who was at La Belle Amie what Liz said publicly before the concert. While I cant elaborate even if the Mayor and entire City Council is elected they have some surprises coming if there is not a change in actions and attitude. Be well and thank you for an opposing view.
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Post by classic53 on Sept 15, 2009 9:41:34 GMT -6
I have been reading this thread every day as other people post their view to this. I for one was against even stepping foot in the city and I kept that up during the rally. Even my wife's sister and her family STILL refuse to even cross city lines. Our boycott of the city went far with numerous types of people joining in on it.
The ONLY reason the city did so well during and after July 4th was the price reductions that the city hotels offered the tourists. While other parts of the Grand Strand did not have to offer such deep discounts.
Now with what Bird just said is something that I was just thinking about earlier today. We need help from other sources. These sources have to be associated with the powers to be in Columbia. And Bird, you ARE creating those sources by conversing with them during these functions. You are opening the doors, or ears in this case, to what WE should be fighting. And that is the discriminatory practices associated with the city and maybe even Georgetown County. If this fight even means "crossing" the lines to do it, well, so what! We are still not spending any money within the city!
My Surprise will be finished shortly and I will be posting it and to any response that I receive. This surprise will be finished today and sent on it's way.
Now Bird, you have really peaked my curisoity on what those "surprises" might be forth comng for the city. Dang!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by freebird on Sept 15, 2009 11:02:05 GMT -6
I have been reading this thread every day as other people post their view to this. I for one was against even stepping foot in the city and I kept that up during the rally. Even my wife's sister and her family STILL refuse to even cross city lines. Our boycott of the city went far with numerous types of people joining in on it. The ONLY reason the city did so well during and after July 4th was the price reductions that the city hotels offered the tourists. While other parts of the Grand Strand did not have to offer such deep discounts. Now with what Bird just said is something that I was just thinking about earlier today. We need help from other sources. These sources have to be associated with the powers to be in Columbia. And Bird, you ARE creating those sources by conversing with them during these functions. You are opening the doors, or ears in this case, to what WE should be fighting. And that is the discriminatory practices associated with the city and maybe even Georgetown County. If this fight even means "crossing" the lines to do it, well, so what! We are still not spending any money within the city! My Surprise will be finished shortly and I will be posting it and to any response that I receive. This surprise will be finished today and sent on it's way. Now Bird, you have really peaked my curisoity on what those "surprises" might be forth comng for the city. Dang!!!!!!!!!!! I think you get it. Some very powerful and influencial people from MB tried to sabotage Freedom Fest in many ways. One was a threat to cancel funding for the Long Bay Symphony if they played for BOOST and this Festival. It is my understanding that has happened and was exposed by Liz Gilland at La Belle Amie. That did not sit well with many and MB is not the top predator in the food chain. As Paul Harvey used to say.... Stay tuned for the rest of the story. I anticipate some interesting reading in the MB Herald and other news.
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Post by rangemaster on Sept 15, 2009 14:18:16 GMT -6
I think you get it. Some very powerful and influencial people from MB tried to sabotage Freedom Fest in many ways. One was a threat to cancel funding for the Long Bay Symphony if they played for BOOST and this Festival. It is my understanding that has happened and was exposed by Liz Gilland at La Belle Amie. That did not sit well with many and MB is not the top predator in the food chain. As Paul Harvey used to say.... Stay tuned for the rest of the story. I anticipate some interesting reading in the MB Herald and other news. For those who missed it - Steve Porter read what was reported to be a transcript of Liz's remarks on their WRNN radio show Monday (yesterday) morning. VERY interesting; it sounded as though she was certainly in BOOST's court on it. I also have no doubt that Steve Porter will also comment on this in the Myrtle Beach Herald soon - as he is on the Long Bay Symphony Board of Directors. He did remark that he and some other board members seemed a bit conflicted in having the symphony play in this event, as it was being co-sponsored/presented by BOOST - as they considered it to be a possible "political" or "politically motivated" event. Porter was referring to it being a military tribute - and stated repeatedly to the effect that he felt it was only being presented as revenge for the City of Myrtle Beach adopting their "Military Appreciation Days" earlier this year - and that he couldn't understand WHY there was more than one event paying tribute to our military and veterans per year (ridiculous, right?). I'm also curious to see how bad Steve Porter messes up any article with inaccuracies, etc - as he also stated more than once that the Military Appreciation Days were held on VETERAN'S DAY (not Memorial Day), and that the Military Appreciation Days event was being put on by the City of Myrtle Beach to "replace bike week" - without clarifying that THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT "BIKE WEEKS", and the city's event is during the ATLANTIC BEACH BIKEFEST (though Porter repeatedly gave the impression that it was during the Harley Spring Rally). Porter also made these misstatements during a phone interview with BOOST representative (?President/leader?) Tom Herron, who failed to correct Porter. I wanted to phone in to correct Porter, but was unable to do so Monday.
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Post by Chuck52 on Sept 15, 2009 14:27:07 GMT -6
I think you get it. Some very powerful and influencial people from MB tried to sabotage Freedom Fest in many ways. One was a threat to cancel funding for the Long Bay Symphony if they played for BOOST and this Festival. It is my understanding that has happened and was exposed by Liz Gilland at La Belle Amie. That did not sit well with many and MB is not the top predator in the food chain. As Paul Harvey used to say.... Stay tuned for the rest of the story. I anticipate some interesting reading in the MB Herald and other news. For those who missed it - Steve Porter read what was reported to be a transcript of Liz's remarks on their WRNN radio show Monday (yesterday) morning. VERY interesting; it sounded as though she was certainly in BOOST's court on it. I also have no doubt that Steve Porter will also comment on this in the Myrtle Beach Herald soon - as he is on the Long Bay Symphony Board of Directors. He did remark that he and some other board members seemed a bit conflicted in having the symphony play in this event, as it was being co-sponsored/presented by boost - THIS IS FROM ANOTHER POST ON THIS WEB SITE BUT RINGS TRUE Key West wants us. keysnews.com/node/16888We usually visit both Myrtle beach rallys and do both Myrtle and Daytona in the fall about every other year, but this year most of the group want to skip Myrtle Beach entirely and go where they want us. As usual, there are some whiners who income does not depend on the local economy, but we are taking extra time and combining a ride from Daytona to Key West as part of our Daytona October Rally. In MB, the anti rally contingent seems to be making the most noise. Is pro rally sentiment really weak? Do jobs not matter? We wish all the local riders the very best WHERE ARE THE LOCAL SUPPORTERS THEY SEEM FEW AND FAR IN BETWEEN WHAT GIVE'S IS EVERYONE AFRAID OF PREFAB
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Post by howardstern on Sept 15, 2009 16:30:52 GMT -6
Finally. Thanks Bird. Someone finally admitted that the game has "CHANGED"!
Now I can apologize to all for the fact that I can not, and will not, strap a lid on my noggin' to ride through a city that neither wants me, or my money. No matter what my peers think, I believe it's wrong and can't support it. I've learned to live and function without Myrtle Beach.
Concerning Liz Gilland. Oh, how soon you forget. She's a better BullSheeter than Rhodes. Have we forgotten the YES/NO vote in regards to vendor permits? Have we forgotten that infamous statement "I don't have a dog in this fight"? in regards to the rules and regs the city first proposed. Then, she sat on her hands and did nothing! Until, of course, she had the ability to shorten the Rally's! Careful who you sleep with...
If G-Town County passes the same silly helmet law, (that by the way infringe's on my rights as a South Carolinian) yes, I will stay out of there too.
I'm going to officially shut my yap and back on out of this. Seems that my (and some other grass-roots supporters) convictions have taken a back seat to political hob-knobbing and seeing who can be made friends with. Sorry, I'm no politician and I certainly don't want to associate with any. Good luck. Frog
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Post by Pat on Sept 15, 2009 16:39:56 GMT -6
I'm no politician and I certainly don't want to associate with any. Dammit. There's a politician in here? Who let THAT happen? ?
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Post by bigbuck on Sept 15, 2009 16:45:45 GMT -6
I'm no politician and I certainly don't want to associate with any. Dammit. There's a politician in here? Who let THAT happen? ? i always had the impression that you were in charge
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Post by bigbuck on Sept 15, 2009 16:53:39 GMT -6
Howard
Please understand that the situation is evolving and some feel the need to change with the situation. All are still respected for their personal beliefs and actions. No one here is totally right or totally wrong. Opinions differ and we are all intitled to our own opinion and interpretation. Like Bird said earlier "thats what makes this country great" no one here has surrendered yet through the course of battle it is sometimes necesary to change your method of approach. As always, Just my opinion
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