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Post by outhouseking on Aug 17, 2009 13:46:01 GMT -6
MB Police Department captain the subject of an internal investigation after he's arrested for DUI in Guilford County, N.C. He is now on personal leave, department spokesman says.
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Post by geezer on Aug 17, 2009 14:19:04 GMT -6
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Post by train on Aug 17, 2009 15:25:13 GMT -6
Just another case of bad judgement by city official .....
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Post by rangemaster on Aug 17, 2009 16:22:03 GMT -6
Same thing I said in the Sun News Biker forum:
"Personally, knowing many MBPD officers and practically every city official - this is NO surprise at all."
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Post by beachbikers1 on Aug 18, 2009 9:17:43 GMT -6
After all of the publicity by the City of Myrtle Beach with their unfairness to tourist and Bikers I wouldn't be surprised by outside police forces to take it out on any police or elected official from the City, especially NC!
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Post by rangemaster on Aug 18, 2009 16:24:03 GMT -6
After all of the publicity by the City of Myrtle Beach with their unfairness to tourist and Bikers I wouldn't be surprised by outside police forces to take it out on any police or elected official from the City, especially NC! I commented about this early this year on the Sun News forums. What I basically stated:
I stay in touch with many officers from various municipal (mostly Midlands region) and state agencies. They tell me that a general attitude of many law enforcement officers and other officials is that they have no love for Myrtle Beach officials of any kind - citing the drastic, overzealous, and reckless actions they took over the bike weeks issue that affected general tourism. These other officers and officials are concerned that any visit they and/or their families make to Myrtle Beach could result in some innocent violation of an ordinance that is otherwise acceptable in this state and that THEY may be cited or at least hassled over it.
A significant number of them are either bikers or at least had no concerns about bikers - they realize that the MAIN problems being complained about at Myrtle Beach in May did NOT involve bikers anyway, and that the City of Myrtle Beach merely CREATED offenders out of otherwise legal-acting visitors rather than confront the actual problems.
In addition: in these times of tight budgets and a reliance in the Carolinas on tourism revenue, the unnecessarily drastic actions by the City of Myrtle Beach would reduce their OWN share and distribution of these tourism dollars (as it turns out, they were CORRECT). In other words: the City of Myrtle Beach took money away from THEIR funding, jeopardized their OWN jobs far away from the City of Myrtle Beach, and created concerns that a visit to the City of Myrtle Beach could jeopardize their own arrest or threat of same for doing things that are legal anywhere else in the state. Thus, the attitude of many municipal and state officials outside this area is that there should be absolutely NO "professional courtesy" or extension of ANYTHING that provides them with courtesy of ANY kind when in their jurisdictions or contact.
It is NOT "malice; rather, it is the assurance that they will receive NO "breaks" or "favors" in those jurisdictions.
As I said, I posted to this effect early this year. I don't know if this particular DWI arrest is the result of that train of thought by outside agencies, but the City of Myrtle Beach created this animosity - and may be seeing the results of it now.
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Post by freebird on Aug 18, 2009 16:41:27 GMT -6
Range While attending the races in Bristol I took the opportunity to talk to the law enforcement there about their opinion of what is happening in MB. First none will ever come back to MB and if a MBPD is in Bristol I would suggest they do not do 1 MPH over the limit. I think all understand the message. I am to the point of just avoiding MB forever. Not A Dime Till The End Of Time. Eventually MB will look like Detroit. They were once all hi and mighty as well.
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Post by classic53 on Aug 19, 2009 5:11:25 GMT -6
I also remember when Range posted that about other departments showing "courtesy" to the MBPD and how they wouldn't anymore. The old saying does come into play here. "What goes around, comes around". And you have reaffirmed that Bird with your discussions with the Bristol PD.
Not A dime Until Rhodes is Deep Nine "did I say that?"
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Post by geezer on Aug 19, 2009 5:28:40 GMT -6
Not A dime Until Rhodes is Deep Nine A time for celebration. "did I say that?"
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Post by freebird on Aug 19, 2009 7:13:47 GMT -6
Not A dime Until Rhodes is Deep Nine A time for celebration. "did I say that?" I think Bro and Dilligaf have picked winners for the Slogan contest but you might want to add this one
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Post by usmc69 on Aug 19, 2009 19:31:05 GMT -6
I ride a Harley and come to every Fall Rally. I will be there in September. I am also a law enforcement officer in Guilford County. The deputy that arrested Capt. Frontz works for me. There seem to be some misconceptions about this incident.
Capt. Frontz passed a marked Sheriff's Office car at a high rate of speed on an interstate highway and was pulled over for that reason. During the stop it was discovered that he was drinking. Frontz was fully cooperative with the officer but he did refuse a roadside Alcosensor test becuse he was not familiar with the device. He later took two sobrierty tests at the Guilford County Jail. Capt Frontz came across as a good guy who made a really bad decision. As long as we hire human beings to be police officers they will make mistakes. He will probably have to pay a heavy price for this mistake.
While myself and many other officers in Guilford County and Greensboro ride bikes and are unhappy about some political decisions made in Myrtle Beach most of us believe that the MBPD has been put in the middle on these issues and while many of their officers might not agree with some of these laws they have to do as they are told. We do not hold these political decisions against the MBPD.
My departments dealings with the MBPD in this DWI case have been very professional. About four weeks ago we worked a criminal case with detectives from MBPD and they were very professional in that case. You have to separate political decisions from the MBPD; they are two different things.
Thanks for listening and I will see you the last week of September.
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Post by hdgoddess on Aug 19, 2009 20:28:47 GMT -6
usmc69, Thank's for clarify some things for us.No biker mean any ill will against Capt. Frontz or any other member of law enforcement. That being said & moving forward, please know we as members of the biker community in Myrtle Beach really have a problem the mayor & city council,a large problem. But also there has been issues with law enforcement here that makes you question just how proffessional some of these officers are. The incident with Capt. Frontz was the icing on the cake. You have to know the recent history here. I have several family members that are law enforcement & I have the utmost respect for you & the job you do. I'm also from Reidsville NC. Please stay in touch & post oftin.
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Post by freebird on Aug 19, 2009 20:37:10 GMT -6
usmc69 Thank you for you post and your clarification. It is always sad when one of our nations finest falls in any way. I think we all know that the MBPD is being used as a hammer for a political machine. Sad but true. My only dealings with the MBPD was on the helmet ride and I stated on that thread that I thought they did a very profession job on a rather nasty day to keep the protestors safe and write the tickets they were instructed to do. In this case it would appear that Capt Frontz put both himself and your Deputy in a bad situation.
As far as my post about Bristol the officers were written minor violations that would normally receive a warning between officers and they advised me that professional courtesy didnt go. One was a noise violation. I only heard one side but was surprised that a ticket of that nature would be written and so were the officers.
Either way your points are well taken. Thank you for your service and be safe.
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Post by ovation on Aug 19, 2009 20:39:09 GMT -6
he did refuse a roadside Alcosensor test becuse he was not familiar with the device. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can anyone refuse a roadside Alcosensor test because they are not familiar with the device?
I would think, not to many people would be familiar with such a device, unless they were stopped ofter...
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Post by freebird on Aug 19, 2009 21:04:12 GMT -6
Anyone can refuse a test. You can not be forced to take one. However in most states it will be an automatic suspension of ones driving privilege. Depending how long after one is pulled over it can change the test results dramatically to take the test at the station. Example. If you just had two drinks and you were pulled over and took the test then it would register twice as high as if you took the test 1 hr later at the station. The body will remove on average one drink per hour.
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