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Post by freebird on Feb 13, 2010 20:09:45 GMT -6
In a move that could only be described as strong arm tactics MB says no to a refund of the $85.00 entrance fee even tho the runners wanted to run, and had signed a waiver. Some ran the Marathon anyway without the 90 Police and 150 City workers slated to work overtime today. This in a series of things which reminds me of the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=11981844#
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Post by freebird on Feb 14, 2010 6:51:58 GMT -6
Ghost Good to hear from you. If I understand correctly there were 6000 registered runners at between $85.00 to $110.00 entrance fee. Using the low numbers at $85.00 that is $510,000.00 ( half a million ) just in registration fees. How much would cancellation insurance have cost to protect the investment of the runners. As someone who trained for major sporting events my training cycle was one year. Thats what these people lost especially the ones that were using this as an entrance requirement for the Boston Marathon. Now they will not be accepted unless they can find another Marathon and can take off from work and incur all the added expense not withstanding the new training cycle. As I have said before what happens to MB is no longer my concern even tho I live here. But if you voted for these numnuts then you have taken part in killing MB as they collectively couldn't run a popcorn stand. My opinion is they either have little knowledge of the events and people they govern or they just don't care. Just keep those envelopes coming Shep and all is well. Shame on you MB. Reimburse these people. They did their part. It is the City who let them down. After all the weather for the event was a little wet streets and blue sky. Just what was predicted. A friend on mine in Florida runs 2 to 3 Marathons a year. He has already sent me an E-Mail about this fiasco. The black eye for MB just gets bigger.
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Post by train on Feb 14, 2010 7:23:46 GMT -6
How about turn coat Mike Shank now working with city...What a joke... MB should be charge with stealing because thats what they did stole peoples money... Marathoners run in all conditions and weather they don't care its all about running and they sign waivers in beginning so city had no fear of law suits they just robbed them blind... None will return either...
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Post by bikergal on Feb 14, 2010 8:32:04 GMT -6
I doubt if Bi-Lo pays the money. They were just in bankruptcy and they are still in bad shape. Maybe Bi-Lo won't sponser it next year.
And on this one I don't blame the city (at least for cancelling it). It would have been a nightmare if they ran it and they had a lot of falls or people getting hit by cars.
As for the refund, I don't know if the contract they signed had a clause talking about no refunds due to cancellation or not.
And I 100% agree that Mike Shank is a huge turncoat. I have stated many times that Phil Schoonover (owner of Harley local) and Mike Shank (his right hand man) are in no way biker friendly! Phil's motto is get them in, get their money and get them OUT. Ask any local about Phil and his attitude towards bikers.
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Post by General_Malaise on Feb 14, 2010 9:13:19 GMT -6
Not to defend the City, but fair is fair in my book.
Was there a disclaimer on the entry papers about refunds? Have other races been canceled? how has this usually been handled?
I am sure that many expenses were incurred in preparing for the race.
The article mentioned partial refunds not a total stonewall.
I've seen runners out in some of the most awful weather doing their training I wonder if the cancellation was really needed.
I suspect that up North the race might not have been called off.
Folks that pursue these races have to expect such things.
A Plan B would have been nice. The slush on the roads did not last all day.
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Post by train on Feb 14, 2010 14:11:05 GMT -6
The streets were pefectly clean I live on north end of city on route and everything was clear by 8am so all city did is rob these poor marathoners that spent there hard earn money for this event and what they get robbed... Let one of us throw event and take money and cancell without refund you will be stoned AND not good kind either...Don't anyone try to make excuse for the City of MB they screwed up once again......
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Post by freebird on Feb 14, 2010 16:16:26 GMT -6
Not to defend the City, but fair is fair in my book. Was there a disclaimer on the entry papers about refunds? Have other races been canceled? how has this usually been handled? I am sure that many expenses were incurred in preparing for the race. The article mentioned partial refunds not a total stonewall. I've seen runners out in some of the most awful weather doing their training I wonder if the cancellation was really needed. I suspect that up North the race might not have been called off. Folks that pursue these races have to expect such things. A Plan B would have been nice. The slush on the roads did not last all day. It was great to see you today. I would have never guessed the age and mileage of your ride. Just too clean. As far as partial reimbursement it depends on which story you read and the quotes. Right now the position is no refunds at all. Considering the waiver everyone signed the City is exempt from any liability. In the middle of February they had no back up plan and no insurance for cancellation. I say they did a piss poor job of their fiduciary responsibility to the runners and then had a leave your cash and take your trash attitude. Just like they treated other tourists. There were still about 400 runners running all over the City with no support or First Responders. Most runners that are responding in the blogs are saying their chance to be in the Boston Marathon is now ruined because they would have used this Marathon as their entrance requirement. Not to mention the lost training and travel expenses. Their loss is large. The Hotels, The Restaurants, and all that go into supporting this event were paid by the runners. With no event the Salary of the 90 plus Police Officers and 150 City workers was not paid by the City. Use the money slated for that as a start. Anything less is just plain wrong. Just my opinion. What is not subject of debate is that according to the responses I read the Runners are the new FUMB group of tourists.
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Post by General_Malaise on Feb 14, 2010 21:13:21 GMT -6
Good to see you and the missus as well. Good points you make about lack of planning & forethought. MB is not known for planning ahead or considering the ramifications of their actions.
To be sure, the response by those directly affected (the participants) will tell the tale best.
Let's hope that MB gives the runners a fair shake on refunds at least.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by classic53 on Feb 15, 2010 6:20:00 GMT -6
Living here in Pa., they run smaller marathons in all kind of weather. The runers DO sign a waiver barring all who manage the race from all liability.
Myrtle Beach COULD have held the marathon with no possibility of being sued by a participant whatsoever! Now the workers, well, that's a different story. All Myrtle Beach did is increase the type of people who will now most likely join in the boycott. I just hope they do this and tell all their friends to do the same. I know some on here don't believe in the boycott, but I'm sorry, for I am sticking to it because I will not fuel their propaganda machine.
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Post by hdgoddess on Feb 15, 2010 11:14:06 GMT -6
Iffin they can cancel a 69 year old motorcycle rally then they can cancel anything they want & if they dodo enough then maybe people will wakeup...
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Post by bikergal on Feb 15, 2010 14:25:54 GMT -6
I can appreciate the position they are in, expenses already paid for items, advertising, mostly volunteers, etc...
But, 100% of the costs were NOT paid up front and someone had to make some money off of this. I don't think they were paying the paramedics, police and firefighters to not be there when it was cancelled.
I think it would be fair to reimburse at least SOME of the entry money, and as ghostwars stated, give them 50% off next year as well, that is a good idea.
Or gee, Brad Dean could dip in to the MILLIONS of dollars he got with the 1% and pay some out to these people. Yeah, I know, that sounds funny.
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Post by howardstern on Feb 15, 2010 17:18:07 GMT -6
Simply another Myrtle Beach fiasco by a group of local yokel politicians that can't see past their own noses! I've checked some sites and word is that many runners, like disgruntled Bikers, will never set foot in Myrtle Beach again. (at any time of the year...) Good job to the idiots!
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Post by howardstern on Feb 15, 2010 17:18:50 GMT -6
...Refund or not!
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Post by hdgoddess on Feb 15, 2010 19:12:07 GMT -6
Simply another Myrtle Beach fiasco by a group of local yokel politicians that can't see past their own noses! I've checked some sites and word is that many runners, like disgruntled Bikers, will never set foot in Myrtle Beach again. (at any time of the year...) Good job to the idiots! DODO/DODO/DO again naturally..... Run em all off! Just my opinion ;D
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Post by freebird on Feb 16, 2010 7:17:32 GMT -6
Just like we thought the MB reply is thanks for the Half a Million dollars in registration fees and even tho we didn't use the 90 Police or 150 City Workers or pay them we are still keeping the money. You'll come back again next year ya hear and send them fees in early. ;D ;D www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=11988862#
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