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Post by train on Jun 11, 2009 7:40:30 GMT -6
What do you think business owner would say if bikers decide to pull away from them and go after main concern which is Helmet Ord ... You no awhile back we had oppurtunity to get rid of such ord but everyone decide to stand for businesses also ... So now if opportunity arose again what do you think new responce would be ? Helmet Ords got to go # 1 priority right now ....
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Post by rangemaster on Jun 11, 2009 8:08:17 GMT -6
What do you think business owner would say if bikers decide to pull away from them and go after main concern which is Helmet Ord ... You no awhile back we had oppurtunity to get rid of such ord but everyone decide to stand for businesses also ... So now if opportunity arose again what do you think new responce would be ? Helmet Ords got to go # 1 priority right now .... I told Susan Grissom-Means, Chuck Martino, Wayne Gray, and Mike Chestnut in person yesterday that my deduction is that the HELMET LAW is the key issue that can RESOLVE the current controversies toward providing a comfortable level of satisfaction for ALL parties to this issue - and attain advantages that would be in the BEST INTERESTS of the City of Myrtle Beach and its overall residents, businesses, neighbors, and visitors. I straight-out told each one - which hasn't been the FIRST time - that it is OBVIOUS that the HELMET LAW was enacted with the SOLE INITIAL INTENTION to discourage and/or keep bikers from coming into the City of Myrtle Beach. NONE of the officials DISPUTED that contention - and also not for the first time, they actually nod as if they agree. I also gave THEM a couple of my famous predictions: IF the helmet law is STRUCK DOWN by the courts, many of the mayor/city council anti-rally supporters will NOT be happy about it - AND the city officials won't gain one bit of change of heart from PRO-rally folks. HOWEVER - if THE CITY ON ITS OWN modifies the helmet ordinance to simply comply with state laws, or just rescind/retroactively suspend the helmet ordinance while sitting down and communicating with ALL parties, they can likely gain some favor from a certain degree of bikers while maintaining support from TakeBackMay supporters who feel/admit that the current actions were excessive and newly problematic in other vital areas to our economy. I closed with the comment that, if the city merely takes NO reasonable action NOW - and the helmet law is defeated in the courts - they can likely kiss their council seat goodbye for sure.
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Post by geezer on Jun 11, 2009 8:50:13 GMT -6
Very good, Range. Thanks. You are a voice of reason. Maybe someday they will listen to you.
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Post by freebird on Jun 11, 2009 9:07:18 GMT -6
Very good, Range. Thanks. You are a voice of reason. Maybe someday they will listen to you. They are too arrogant. My prediction even tho they know they will loose is that they will go down swinging, the Bikers will be invigorated, the fight will continue until November, and by that time so much bad PR will be on the INTERNET this town will never be the same. It is a class war that is likely to continue for years to come. All will loose some and some will loose all.
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Post by beachbikers1 on Jun 11, 2009 9:30:23 GMT -6
What do you think business owner would say if bikers decide to pull away from them and go after main concern which is Helmet Ord ... You no awhile back we had oppurtunity to get rid of such ord but everyone decide to stand for businesses also ... So now if opportunity arose again what do you think new responce would be ? Helmet Ords got to go # 1 priority right now .... I told Susan Grissom-Means, Chuck Martino, Wayne Gray, and Mike Chestnut in person yesterday that my deduction is that the HELMET LAW is the key issue that can RESOLVE the current controversies toward providing a comfortable level of satisfaction for ALL parties to this issue - and attain advantages that would be in the BEST INTERESTS of the City of Myrtle Beach and its overall residents, businesses, neighbors, and visitors. I straight-out told each one - which hasn't been the FIRST time - that it is OBVIOUS that the HELMET LAW was enacted with the SOLE INITIAL INTENTION to discourage and/or keep bikers from coming into the City of Myrtle Beach. NONE of the officials DISPUTED that contention - and also not for the first time, they actually nod as if they agree. I also gave THEM a couple of my famous predictions: IF the helmet law is STRUCK DOWN by the courts, many of the mayor/city council anti-rally supporters will NOT be happy about it - AND the city officials won't gain one bit of change of heart from PRO-rally folks. HOWEVER - if THE CITY ON ITS OWN modifies the helmet ordinance to simply comply with state laws, or just rescind/retroactively suspend the helmet ordinance while sitting down and communicating with ALL parties, they can likely gain some favor from a certain degree of bikers while maintaining support from TakeBackMay supporters who feel/admit that the current actions were excessive and newly problematic in other vital areas to our economy. I closed with the comment that, if the city merely takes NO reasonable action NOW - and the helmet law is defeated in the courts - they can likely kiss their council seat goodbye for sure. You see Range Susan Grissom-Means, Chuck Martino & Philip Render will be carried over in November with the new Mayor and 3 new council members. The others that nodded their heads (Gray & Chestnut) think that maybe they have a chance and Rhodes doesn't so they believe it or not were kissing your butt.
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Post by Grog on Jun 11, 2009 10:55:52 GMT -6
So all this is so we can ride in MB without a helmet? Let em ride without a hemet, you can stomp on their other rights.
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Post by rangemaster on Jun 11, 2009 10:58:16 GMT -6
You see Range Susan Grissom-Means, Chuck Martino & Philip Render will be carried over in November with the new Mayor and 3 new council members. The others that nodded their heads (Gray & Chestnut) think that maybe they have a chance and Rhodes doesn't so they believe it or not were kissing your butt. Oh, I was aware of that and fully agree. However, Grissom-Means and Martino obviously in turn are aware that they therefore risk 2 things: 1. The possibility/probability of having to "work with" any combination of a new mayor and/or up to 3 new fellow council members after this November, and 2. Contending with a possible conversion of the city to a DISTRICT council-representative system by the time THEY are up for re-election (plus, each of them have known for some time that I advocate such DISTRICTS). If THAT becomes the case, they would most likely be running against a fellow incumbent for the SOLE seat to be filled for his/her district - and a higher likelihood that the voters in said district may remain totally devoted to him/her IF they FAIL on an issue versus exercise LEADERSHIP to resolve new problems while producing similar end results that at least remove just the PROBLEMS that certain residents actually complained about. I made those parts clear to them too, but remained concise in order to show that I didn't want to take up too much of their time while they were busy with the demands from many other persons for their time. In fact, when I first approached (or WAS approached by) each council member, I stated that I would be concise out of respect for their many obligations. I was tempted to include something to the effect that I'd expect the same IF I were in their shoes - and to keep his/her council seat WARM FOR ME - but I want to keep them guessing whether I actually will pursue that or not...
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Post by train on Jun 11, 2009 11:58:42 GMT -6
The reason we need to beat this helmet ord down is so no other small town or city say Surfside , Charleston , Cheraw , where ever can do same thing .. Next thing you no SC has State wide all rider helmet law are you ready for that , I am not ....
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Post by woody on Jun 11, 2009 13:14:35 GMT -6
Doing away with the helmet ord would be great but some of the other new laws have to go also. My guess is that there are a large number of riders, including myself, that can not pass the noise ord. The best result is the mayor gets replaced with someone that would wipe out the 15 ord and sit down with everyone involved and work this out. If the city puts Roades in for another term then I will be using 31 alot when I am in town. I was there for two weeks in May and did not spend a penny in the city. If the rich and famous vote Roades another term, we will continue to avoid the city and they can have their gated community. SC is a big state with lots of places to ride and visit, MB is just a tiny piece of it.
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Post by rodehouse on Jun 11, 2009 19:38:24 GMT -6
RANGEMASTER FOR PRESIDENT
You got my vote
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Post by freebird on Jun 11, 2009 19:40:48 GMT -6
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Post by train on Jun 12, 2009 6:29:02 GMT -6
Okay noise ord has been on books for years and have not heard of one case yet , if your bikes loud riding thru city is easy stay out of it NMB noise ord is worst then MB City .. But everytime I ride from home in and out city got put stupid lid on , so right now me as biker , my opinion , I think this is really only ord thats got to go .... Dont care about curfew for kids actually could be good thing ... And all rest are business related which most dont care about here anyhow if you support Not A Dime you dont support them either ... So helmet ords got to go NOW ....
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Post by beachbikers1 on Jun 12, 2009 11:35:19 GMT -6
Okay noise ord has been on books for years and have not heard of one case yet , if your bikes loud riding thru city is easy stay out of it NMB noise ord is worst then MB City .. But everytime I ride from home in and out city got put stupid lid on , so right now me as biker , my opinion , I think this is really only ord thats got to go .... Dont care about curfew for kids actually could be good thing ... And all rest are business related which most dont care about here anyhow if you support Not A Dime you dont support them either ... So helmet ords got to go NOW .... Train, the helmet law is important but this thing is more than just about helmets. Sooner or later the law will get tossed but the biggest problem we have is discrimination against all Bikers and them just getting away with bloody murder. The misuse of their police force to keep an eye on Bikers 24/7 while people are getting robbed and mugged down on the beach & Ocean Blvd. We as Bikers have already proved we don't need the City to have a fun Rally so thats not a problem. With new leadership in the City hopefully that will all change. I live in the City too and I don't like putting my helmet on to leave my driveway but until it hits the Supreme Court I'll just sit patiently until that day comes.
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Post by woody on Jun 12, 2009 19:45:44 GMT -6
Train..I'm just saying with the check points in the city it would be easy to get a noise ticket. We have stayed in NMB the last 13 Bike Weeks in a row and have never had to go thru any check points and have never had any problem with anyone over exhaust noise. Hopefully Nov. will bring a sweeping change to the city of MB. Good Luck from Michigan.
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Post by freebird on Jun 12, 2009 22:45:37 GMT -6
Train..I'm just saying with the check points in the city it would be easy to get a noise ticket. We have stayed in NMB the last 13 Bike Weeks in a row and have never had to go thru any check points and have never had any problem with anyone over exhaust noise. Hopefully Nov. will bring a sweeping change to the city of MB. Good Luck from Michigan. Well you would think. However 3 of us intentionally went through checkpoints to get a noise violation and even asked for one. No Dice. Wouldn't check the bikes. Told they only had one meter for that. HD however stated I think a cousin just got one for music at around 11PM so who knows. Train did finally get himself a helmet ticket tho. I expect to see it on E-Bay soon.
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